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Post by PsyWarrior on Jun 6, 2004 10:38:57 GMT -5
60 years ago today, Allied forces landed on Gold, Juno, Sword, Omaha and Utah beaches, in Normandy. The invasion of occupied France had begun... Many believe that this was the turning point of the war: The beginning of the end for Nazi Germany. Others believe that it simply meant the end of any chance the Axis forces had to win the war. Whatever D-Day really symbolised, the formerly undefeated Wehrmacht were reeling from unprecedented defeats from all sides: Stalingrad, El Alamein, Normandy... 60 years on, Operation Overlord is still seen as one of the most important battles in military history, and is still honoured by veterans of World War II and those from modern Europe alike. The Psychic Productions team wishes to honour all those who fell in the battle of Normandy, on all sides, fighting for their country and their beliefs. At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them. Honours, Ten Hut... |
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Post by history lover on Feb 1, 2005 21:58:44 GMT -5
Who believes Normandy was a turning point in the war ?, Hollywood maybe.
What a ridiculous statement, Stalingrad was the turning point in the war, Normandy just speeded up the end.
Russia would have beaten the Nazis on their own, anybody with half an understanding of WW2 would know that.
So dont disrespect the Soviet army, they are the boys we really have to thank.
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Post by PsyWarrior on Feb 2, 2005 17:06:18 GMT -5
Excuse me, History Lover.
This post was written in commemoration of D-Day. I can hardly say "D-Day was nothing really, the russians won the war".
I Know that the casualty rates on the eastern front were phenominal compared to every other front in the war combined.
So, does that make every other battle on every other front insignificant?
Does that mean that those who died in the Battle of Normandy did so for absolutely no reason? That Britain, America, Canada, the Free French and everyone else should have pulled out of the war, and let the Soviet Army finish it on their own?
D-Day was the turning point in OUR side of the war. Fine, maybe the war would have been won by the Soviets otherwise, without any intervention from the west.
But that's still a maybe. There was a lot of luck involved in the Soviet victory - If the Russian winter in 41 had not been so harsh, causing all German vehicles to cease functioning, would the German Wehrmacht have overrun the Soviet Capital? What would have happened then?
If you're going to come in here and lecture me, don't make sweeping statements like "Russia would have beaten the Nazis on their own". Any student of history knows that, and anyone who's studied the Second World War (or indeed any conflict) knows how many variables there are, and how much depends upon luck.
Fine, I respect your opinions. To some extent, I agree with them - the Russian forces DID contribute to the end of the war more than any other power, or even collection of powers. But I stand by what I have said above - Overlord has warrented the production of entire textbooks dedicated to that one battle. Granted, so has Stalingrad, but does that detract from the significance of Overlord for the Western Allies?
Also, I suggest you re-read my post above.
If you're looking for an argument, I suggest you at least read the initial post properly first. I am not saying that "OVERLORD is most definately the turning point in the war, so there". I am showing an opinion, not even necessarily my opinion.
-PsyWarrior
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